SeltaeB – The Conspiracy?

The merchandising scandal of the Beatlemania era known as SeltaeB (Beatles backwards) was kept fairly hush hush certainly during this time as well as many years after.  Many Beatles fans have probably never even heard of the Seltaeb scandal, as it is rarely mentioned besides in a small handful of Beatles biographies and Beatles historic efforts, and even then only a few lines noting the event are dedicated and then quickly diverted.

Seltaeb was a company set up in 1963 to look after the merchandising interests of the Beatles and Brian Epstein. Nicky Byrne was contracted by David Jacobs (Epstein’s lawyer) to head the company on behalf of NEMS Enterprises, Brian Epstein’s management company. Byrne took the contract at a 90% commission rate, leaving only 10% for the Beatles and NEMS combined. Not realizing the potential goldmine for Beatles-related products at the time, Epstein accepted the 10% rate, which has been estimated at a $100,000,000 dollar loss for NEMS and the Beatles.

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Beatles related products began to pour out all over the world in 1964 after Beatlemania was in high gear, launching them up to the highest heights of stardom and beyond. Everything from Beatles chewing gum, to Beatles mop top wigs, to Beatles fudge-sickles, candy, trading cards, jewelry and more began to flood into the aisle ways of every store, and into the homes of every pre-teen and teenager in America and the world. All paying licensing fees to Seltaeb and therefore, Nicky Byrne- who was making an absolute fortune off of the Beatles image.

Being a Beatles memorabilia collector myself, when I learned of the Seltaeb “deal” I must admit that I was a bit taken back by the apparent controversy and pocketed monies taken from the Beatles.  However, I began to realize that it was this scandal that ultimately made the Beatles such a worldwide phenomenon. How is that? Well obviously it wasn’t the sole reason for the Beatles success, but it was certainly a slice of the entire apple pi(e).  Byrne and Seltaeb licensed out the rights to use the Beatles likeness for pennies on the dollar, making hundreds of outside interests companies salivate over the sale potential of any product marketed with the Beatles likeness adorning it. The Beatles image was marketed worldwide, on thousands of products.  People all over the world who may have never heard a Beatles record, saw the Beatles and their mop-top haircuts and smiling faces on their beauty products, their food, their household items, their clothing, their toys etc. etc. It was really a genius marketing ploy, one that worked very very well for the sensationalized promotion of the Beatles image.

No doubt Byrne was making a HUGE chunk of Beatles-bucks, and this soon concerned Brian Epstein who was making only 10% of the profit of the entire endeavor. The rate was re-negotiated in 1964 to 49%, however this set Epstein and Byrne on a tormenting 3 year ongoing court battle for negotiations for past monies due. Companies that were once salivating for the Beatles dirt-cheap licensing rights, lost interest waiting for the legalities to finalize during this time. The Beatles sensation had died down quite a bit and by 1966, the Beatles official licensed products had all but disappeared from the public realm.  Before the conclusion of the legalities, Epstein died of what was ruled as an accidental overdose in August 1967. The following year, Epstein’s lawyer David Jacobs was found hanged in his garage in December 1968, and Nicky Byrne retired in the Bahamas.  Well…. hmmm.

Don’t you just love when you come to a weird Beatles blog like this and read about a real conspiracy that really did happen? You have all the markings of a real-live conspiracy fact (as opposed to theory) yet, this is rarely mentioned and even rarer still- any detailed account of the events and transactions which transpired over this deal. Why is that? The few sources of information I have gathered to be able to write this article in the first place are listed in the reference section below. They are few and far between.

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Epstein, Jacobs’ and the Beatles 1964

We may never truly know if Epstein’s death was accidental as ruled. I certainly hope that is the case, and not for a more sinister reason.  However, we do know that Epstein’s close associate, friend and lawyer David Jacobs has indeed had much controversy surrounding his claimed suicide.  There have been reports of Jacobs’ association with the notorious Kray twins, and his refusal to represent them when they were tried for murder. Several attempts by Jacobs’ hiring personal security, asking for police escorts, and confessions to close friends that he was ‘in danger’ or that ‘they were all after him’. There is circumstantial evidence that Jacobs’ was operating under the motivation of blackmail as well. Jacobs’ list of clientele include The Rolling Stones, Larry Olivier, Marlene Dietrich, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Judy Garland, Diana Dors, Brian Epstein – and even, indirectly, the Beatles, all of which have association in one form or another with the Beatles and/or their entourage. And with the exception of Judy Garland and Zsa Zsa Gabore were all featured on the Sgt. pepper album cover… another Beatles coincidence??

Epstein on the other hand, is much more secretive and hush hush. Not much has been said about Brian Epstein’s background or daily life besides his deals and interactions with the Beatles and NEMS enterprises. However it has been speculated that he had found himself in some pretty hot water around the time of his death. Not just with the Seltaeb scandal and his fear of the Beatles finding out what a horrible deal he had agreed to, but allegedly he had racked up some significant gambling debts and was part of an underground circle of well-to-do persons who lurked in the shadows of taboo and illegal activities in the early 60s. Epstein was a homosexual at a time in Britain when such a lifestyle was illegal, and heavily frowned upon by society. He was sure to keep most of his private encounters away from the prying eyes of the public. Imagine the difficulties of keeping anything private or away from the public eye when you are the manager of the biggest band in the world, followed by thousands of fans and paparazzi everywhere you went. There are several claims of compromising pictures taken of Epstein during Beatles world tours which were used as blackmail against the famed Beatles manager. There are also rumors that Epstein may have used the illegal connections of the Kray twins, soliciting call boys from the notorious mafia-styled gangsters who ran an organized pedophilia ring out of a house in a Suffolk village (Tattington) owned by Ronnie Kray.  The Kray twins had major influence upon the casinos that the likes of David Jacobs and Brian Epstein frequented and possibly owed a significant amount of gambling debt to. Combine that with the underground dealings of call-boys supplied by the Kray twins, bad financial decisions on behalf of the Beatles interests, drug addiction, and possible threats against his life, and you have a very serious dark cloud of speculation and concern storming the manager of the band who made it to the toppermost of the poppermost in a frenzy.

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Brian Epstein and Paul McCartney

Before you send me your hate mail, it is not my intention to tarnish the reputation or image of Brian Epstein.  Not in the slightest.  As with all the articles here on thenumbernine, my goal is to simply shed some light on the strange happenings surrounding the Beatles and their legacy. Such strange happenings are not widely discussed in biographies or historical records. It is not my business nor really do I even care about the lifestyle Brian Epstein chose, as it was his to choose. However, if this chosen lifestyle placed Epstein in some compromising positions, rife with illegal activities via dealings with the mafia (as was complacent with the times) which escalated exponentially into ultimately a very untimely death,  followed by other untimely, suspicious deaths of some of his close business associates- one has to wonder how this has NOT been discussed far and wide by Beatles historians and biographers. Perhaps it is my conspiratorial mindset, or my passion for all things Beatles, but… come on!!! It sure does seem like there could very well be more to this story than what we have been led to believe the past 50+ years, doesn’t it?

Speaking of 50+ years of all-things Beatles- this past June marked the 50th anniversary of the Beatles Sgt. Pepper album.  The occasion was celebrated by repackaging and re-releasing the Sgt. pepper album in new “born again” fashion. Throughout mid-2017 billboards and advertisements all across Liverpool began to appear featuring Brian Epstein. ‘With A Little Help From My Friends‘ is the name of this artwork by award winning artist Jeremy Deller, which features the tagline:

“Brian Epstein died for you”

When asked about the inspiration for his art, Deller explained;

“The phrase, ‘Brian Epstein Died for You’, though short, carries with it ideas of belief and self-sacrifice, two strong aspects of Christianity and indeed most mainstream religions. It could be argued that popular music itself is a belief system, and the phrase ‘Brian Epstein Died for You’, has great meaning to its devotees, as he was such a key figure in its development.” Source 

Well now, that sounds a lot like many of the concepts discussed on the numbernine in one little neat and tidy quote! Imagine that. He even used a ‘Brian Epstein Died For You’ piece using the Lord Kitchener motif discussed in a previous numbernine article, I Was Lord Kitchener!   That’s pretty fab if you ask me. It begs the question (at least for me) did Epstein die for me/us/the fans? Or for the Beatles well-being? If for the Beatles- did it work?

By perusing over some of Jeremy Deller’s other artworks, I would have to assume (you know what they say about assuming…) that Deller is very much ‘in the game’. Here you will find a link to some of his work if interested, do be sure to check it out.

 

As always, thank you for taking the time to read my strange Beatles musings.  I appreciate your thoughts on this article as well as every article on thenumbernine. Comments, criticisms and ideas are always welcome, so do not hesitate to let me know you were here. What did I miss? Where else could this walrus hole lead? Until next time…

…to be continued

 

 

 

 

 

 


References used in this article:

http://www.jeremydeller.org/Solid/Solid_Video.php

http://listserv.bccls.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9710A&L=OPERA-L&T=0&P=4953

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/06/jeremy-deller-brian-epstein-sgt-pepper-liverpool

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seltaeb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seltaeb

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngreathouse/2015/07/25/this-rookie-mistake-cost-the-beatles-100000000/#150795ae8b27

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/sgt-pepper-at-50-festival-13085322

Norman, Philip (1993). Shout!. Pan Books. ISBN 978-0-330-48768-9.

Spitz, Bob (2005). The Beatles: The Biography. Little, Brown and Company (New York). ISBN 978-0-316-80352-6.

 

 

 

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22 Comments

  1. Hi Dezy

    Thanks again for another interesting post; it’s always a bright spot in my day when your reminder e-mail lands in my in-box. The subject of SeltaeB is not something I am familiar with. Although probably unrelated, I wonder how it fits with Aleister Crowley’s creepy backwards preaching.

    The large number of suspicious and unexplained deaths surrounding The Beatles is truly depressing: Stu Sutcliffe, biological Paul McCartney (if you believe that sort of thing), Brian Epstein, David Jacobs, Dr Richard Asher, Mal Evans, John Lennon and the attempted murder of George Harrison. Tangentially, you could add Tara Browne, Rory Storm (and his mother); there are probably more that I haven’t thought of.

    The more I study The Beatles, the more I realise that the ‘official history’ is mostly false and everything is to be questioned. Therefore, I am inclined to be suspicious of the narrative that Brian Epstein that died of an overdose.

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  2. Epstein would be a great locked room mystery.

    Very nice Diz, even ground breaking. Where did you get your Jacobs info? Dick James might be a good topic too. That was a fantastic lift. Really nice, keep it up.

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    1. Hi there, thanks for your comment. There are few- but informative sources on David Jacobs. Here are a couple links for more info for you. Certainly a very interesting character in this saga.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10094665/The-mystery-of-David-Jacobs-the-Liberace-lawyer.html
      http://mrbrianepstein.livejournal.com/23943.html
      https://xdell.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-silver-hammer.html
      Let me know if you turn anything else up! Dick James… certainly blog worthy!! Thanks again.

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      1. Diz: The place and time of murders is often symbolic. Hanging in a garage, I’ve heard of before, and it sounds like it might give an indication of what possible murderers were trying to indicate. Keep it the back of your mind if you come across it. Jacobs sounds like an interesting study. Of course he must have been in the Boothby/Kray homosexual ring. Dick James must be homosexual too.

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      2. I’d like to add the name of Robert Stigwood here too if that’s okay. I don’t know if it of any relevance, but… Taken from a website (link below):
        Robert Stigwood is an Australian-born and British-based entertainment mogul who managed rock acts in Britain. The British entertainment establishment was shocked on January 13, 1967 when Brian Epstein merged his entertainment management company, NEMS Enterprises, with Robert Stigwood’s company. People are still uncertain as to why Epstein made this move. He obviously wanted to reduce his involvement in NEMS Enterprises, but this merger was considered a bold move.

        Stigwood agreed to transfer all of his company’s assets into NEMS. As a result, he received major shareholding in NEMS, in addition to a handsome salary and many other perks as could only be expected.

        The four Beatles were absolutely livid. They definitely had no fondness for Stigwood. In 2000, Paul told interviewer Greil Marcus:

        “We said, ‘In fact, if you do, if you somehow manage to pull this off, we can promise you one thing. We will record ‘God Save the Queen’ for every single record we make from now on and we’ll sing out of tune. That’s a promise. So if this guy buys us, that’s what he’s buying.”

        Brian Epstein read the writing on the wall and stayed on solely as the manager of The Beatles and turned over all of his other acts to Stigwood. Obviously, after Epstein’s death later that year, The Beatles waved goodbye to Stigwood and NEMS, en route to forming their own company, Apple Corps.
        http://beatleshistorian.com/?p=262

        The reason I include this is because in the late 1970s, Stigwood piled a lot of money into that ‘turkey’ film version of ‘Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band’ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper%27s_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band_(film))

        I haven’t been able to find any back-up info, but, according to the blog/website/pod-cast ‘Something About The Beatles’, Stigwood financed the ‘Sgt. Pepper’ movie with “mob money.”

        In a post lower down in the ‘comments’ section, I mention Joe Meek… Well, Stigwood had close links to Meek too:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stigwood#Joe_Meek_and_John_Leyton

        Also… He had a bit of a notorious run-in with the ‘Al Capone of Pop’ Don Arden:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stigwood#Career_setback.2C_Don_Arden_incident

        Relevant?…. I don’t know. But it might be of use if you’re looking to go further down the hole, dizzy.

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      3. This walrus hole is a deep and dreadful place for sure.
        Stigwood- was he an affiliate of Dick James?
        Don Arden is an interesting character in this too. Thanks for reminding me of him. That’s Sharon Osborne’s (ozzy osborne’s wife) father right?

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      4. Yes, Dizzy. Arden was the father of Sharon, wife (and ‘handler’?) of Ozzy Osbourne. With regards to Stigwood and Dick James? … I don’t know to be honest. My interest in Stigwood only came up a few weeks back after I heard the allegation on the pod-cast/site ‘Something About the Beatles’ that he financed all or a great deal of the ‘Sgt. Pepper’ movie with ‘mob money.’ Of course, that caught my interest and I went looking for more info on this claim but found absolutely nothing. I’ll add a link here with regards to James, Stigwood, Epstein and NEMS and ‘Northern Songs.’ At this point in my digging, I don’t know if James and Stigwood were directly ‘affiliated,’ but they were interconnected at least (Let me know if the link is showing up for you):
        https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vX5SckOt3jEC&pg=PT88&lpg=PT88&dq=robert+stigwood+dick+james&source=bl&ots=uKTeems0-U&sig=uJIsNveoka9ie4a84Vod6nz7Ty8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigj6GPjLzVAhWsBsAKHdVFC4MQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=robert%20stigwood%20dick%20james&f=false

        Stigwood was manager of Cream, which included Eric Clapton of course (we know the Beatles/Harrison links there). If I’m not mistaken, The Bee Gees (another of his acts) were to sign to ‘Apple’ at one stage, but it never materialised. Don’t hold me to that one, I’d have to re-check to see if I remember that one right.

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      5. Okay… Correction; Epstein was going to manage The Bee Gees.
        I found this interesting quote from Epstein’s right-hand man Joe Flannery. Although I don’t think he’s implying anything of a shady nature in this quote, I did find it – let’s say – ‘interesting’…

        “We both paid a visit to Dick James’ office, a beautiful office. It was all chrome and lime green. While we were talking, he stopped and said, “Clive, why was this man,” pointing at me, “not with Brian when Brian came to London?” He said, “Because Joe went to Germany.” I went to Germany for four years. That’s where my brother made a big hit. We lived over there for four years. I became the stage manager to The Star Club, Hamburg and Brian was in his office in London. Robert Stigwood was working for him. Brian was about to sign The Bee Gees contract, but then he died suddenly. Robert Stigwood kept hold of The Bee Gees and went off and we all know that success they’ve had. But they would’ve been one of Brian Epstein’s bands. ”

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      6. Thanks! The recording industry of London seemed to be run mostly by the mafia during this and previous eras. It’s a wonder how the Beatles managed to escape the mafia’s grip on the industry- all things considered. Did they? I’m not so sure… More to come on the nefarious recording and publishing issues the Beatles have had over the years. It’s a juicy- convoluted story- but worth telling!! I would love any further details or leads you may have in regards to the “biz”.

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      7. Hi! To be honest, I’m not sure the music ‘biz’ in London at the time was mostly run by the mafia although there were certainly a few characters from ‘that world’ who did get involved – but not in terms of overall control I don’t think, but more as them seeing a lucrative opportunity to muscle in on (quite literally). Aside from Don Arden (and the Krays to some extent), perhaps the biggest of the ones that did muscle in was David Litvinoff. I’m afraid I can’t go into too much detail about him, basically because up until a year or so ago I’d never heard of him and it’s only recently I’ve found the time to really start into digging into what I’d already discovered. I’m just about to start reading a biog about him subtitled ‘Jumping Jack Flash’ (…. Well… I think that’s the title, if my memory serves me correctly. I don’t have it to hand at the moment). Here’s a few little details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Litvinoff#Criminal_connections

        With regards to Meek and the Krays (and something I mentioned in a previous post here about these guys and a ‘body in Ipswich’ – which is in the English county of Suffolk):
        Meek – and the Krays – were suspects in a murder case involving a man whose body was found in pieces in suitcases in a Suffolk village. Homosexual rape has been strongly implied by many researchers. You can get the basic overview in this first link, and in the second it shows you the list of suspects that includes Meek and the Krays:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Bernard_Oliver

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Bernard_Oliver#Suspects

        If you do some further digging, you’ll find that there’s info to strongly suggest that Bernard Oliver had worked briefly at Meek’s apartment-recording studio in Holloway Rd, London (funnily enough, my parents lived there back in the ’60s).

        Interestingly – as a side note here – whilst putting an article together for my ‘Conspiro Media’ site, I discovered that the guitarist in The Tornados (directed by Meek of course), was George Bellamy – future father of Matt Bellamy, lead singer of the ‘anti-establishment/’Illuminati’ global Rock group, Muse. It was Tornados vocalist Heinz Burt’s hunting gun that was used in the deaths of Meek and his landlady. Burt says he was questioned by police but then let go. Intriguing, I think. How did a hunting gun get into Meek’s hands in a flat in urban London? In a Meek documentary, Burt says he used to carry the gun in his car whilst he was touring the UK on concert tours and, if he just so happened to find a nice spot in the countryside during his travels that looked prime for hunting, he’d stop the car and get his gun out. I’m not a hunter so I don’t know how plausible this is, but I do wonder.

        Meek worked as a radio technician in the RAF and that’s apparently where he got his interest for electronics.

        I think – more than a mob influence – London’s music industry was connected to the military industrial complex and intel. EMI for example, was in the arms-trade, including nuclear (i.e. Thorn EMI). There’s also the aristocracy connections, military, intel and elite families, particularly within Chelsea (where Litvinoff hung around). You see that with The Beatles of course; Tara Browne, Robert Fraser (also links to military and government/dictators), Marianne Faithfull (also links to military, ‘psychology’), John Dunbar, e.t.c.

        I’m currently digging knee deep into the 1960s counter-culture of London. As a result, I’m ditching ‘Conspiro Media’ for the foreseeable future so that I can dedicate all my time into researching this instead. I’m trying to investigate the whys and the hows of that movement in the UK – which was just as important as the San Francisco scene although nowhere near as investigated or documented. If – as Dave McGowan argued – the US ‘hippie’ scene was orchestrated – or at least – ‘steered’ by intel, the military, elite families, e.t.c. then surely but surely so was the UK’s – which of course was important to the US counter-culture movement given that Britain’s Beatles were the beacons and figureheads and champions of the world counter-culture – helped along by ‘Sgt. Pepper’ of course.

        With a bit of digging, you’ll find a bit of a ‘London Canyon’ – an equivalent to McGowan’s Laurel Canyon argument. You’ll find the military and industrial connections, the intel connections, the connections to military propaganda, psychology/hypnosis/mental health (possible MK ULTRA), e.t.c. In the States, the suspect university where counter-culture ‘suspects’ of varying shape and form is Berkeley I s’pose = The London/British equivalent is Cambridge and the LSE (London School of Economics). You’ll find many, many of the spearheads and prime movers of the counter-culture of London were from these places, but especially Cambridge. The US had Leary, the UK had John ‘Hoppy’ Hopkins (formerly a nuclear physicist and Cambridge graduate). In the US, it was the Human Be-in of San Francisco that proved to be the focal magnet point of the culture and its rise in popularity and prominence. In London it was the Albert Hall Poetry Reading in 1965 organised by Barry Miles and Allen Ginsberg – Leary’s friend. It was the UK from where the term ‘psychedelic’ was coined, it was Briton Michael Hollinghead who first ‘turned on’ Leary and it was Briton Aldous Huxley who introduced Hollingshead to Leary and who became one of the beacons of the world counter-culture whether he would have wanted it that way or not. London is very important in all this which is why I’m a bit at a loss as to why it rarely gets covered by documentaries, historians, e.t.c. Maybe it’s not exotic enough for the mainstream to sell to its media consumers? Although, it’s also true to say the ‘Alternative’ media rarely treads this path of inquiry either.

        Anyway… apologies… I hope I’m not repeating stuff you already know, and I’m certainly not looking to be patronising either – so… apologies. I thought I’d add this info just to illustrate why I think the British music ‘biz’ was – like the US – controlled by the military/industrial/intel complex and also government and ‘elite’ families. I think the mafia, in all of this in London, were making good from the scraps left behind or those that they could grab. I might be wrong though!!

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      8. Hello Dizzy,

        I’m not sure if you’ll receive this e-mail, but I’ll give it a go any way….

        I posted up a lengthy reply in the comments section of the SeltaeB article earlier but upon checking an hour or so ago, it seems to have disappeared (and there’s no ‘waiting for moderation’ disclaimer either as is usually the case). Thought I’d check in case some – ahem – gremlins have wiped it.

        Hope you’re well?

        On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:40 PM, The Number Nine wrote:

        > dizzydezy commented: “Thanks! The recording industry of London seemed to > be run mostly by the mafia during this and previous eras. It’s a wonder how > the Beatles managed to escape the mafia’s grip on the industry- all things > considered. Did they? I’m not so sure… More to c” >

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      9. I can see it there, are you able to view it now? Your comment (which was totally awesome btw) was just approved an hour or so ago, maybe it was having trouble getting onto the blog immediately?

        I too have been trying to tie the 60s counter-culture “movement” with the Laurel Canyon/ San Fransisco counter culture “movement” as I, like you- noticed a big disconnect. As brilliant as Dave McGowan was in bringing the California hippie scene illusion into the forefront- the UK has been largely understudied IMO. From the looks of the information you provided in your comment, you have definitely gone much deeper into this walrus hole than I. But that’s great because I think we can pick each others brains a bit! I know a lot about the Beatles- but unfortunately, that’s really my only area of expertise. The rest of the players and the big wig names take some time for me to get a grasp on for the whole picture puzzle to come together completely.

        I began to take closer notice of some of the UK record labels last year when I was researching for my Flaming Pye in the Sky series, and I agree- Intelligence is all over the few that I looked into, I’m sure I would find similar origins if I looked into others. Also in regards to Cambridge, I stumbled upon an interesting early Beatles/Cambridge link which I wrote about in the behind the camera series- “developing the Beatles Image” about a Leslie Woodhead- former British spy and who just happened to film the oldest surviving footage of the Beatles playing at the Cavern Club about a week after Ringo joined the band (I think, if memory serves- it may have been the first time Ringo played as an official Beatles member in Liverpool). You also have all the bloodline links through players in the Beatles entourage (particularly through the Beatle wives who for lack of a better description- seemed to be “placed” at the right time and the right moment into the life of their respective Beatle husband).
        So the connections to UK Intelligence in regards to the Beatles are certainly all around, no doubt about that. What I have yet to determine is- were the Beatles fabricated? Surely with the amount of publicity and stardom those boys had, if the manufactured, or the very least guided- counter-culture movement was truly the goal of UK and US social engineering, one would think that the Beatles had blessings from all around. Were the Beatles themselves unwitting? or were they “born” to do this? The official story is a tale of absolute luck- being at the right place at the right time… but was it really?
        Thank you for your comment- and all your comments really. I have a lot of digging to do!!

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      10. I also want to add- there are major red flags popping up for me in the early formation of the Beatles. Most “alternative” researchers focus on the Beatles post-66 – I think largely because if the whole paul is dead construct and the theory of his replacement being complicit with social engineering/Masonic/satanic yadda yadda etc etc. But the very early Beatles have a lot of hidden or overlooked aspects to them that don’t get mentioned nearly enough (if at all).
        Alan Williams… shipping boys off to the red light district of Hamburg… paying them a really decent chunk of change as well. It wasn’t just the Beatles. Many many boys were commissioned and transported to Hamburg in this fashion. I am currently in the process of writing an article about Pete Best and all the weirdness that went on there and his sudden replacement with Ringo moments before the Beatles skyrocketed into mega stardom.
        There’s lots there- 1960-1962 very interesting time to dig into!!

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      11. Yes thank you, I can see it now!

        I wasn’t aware of Leslie Woodhead’s connection to the Cavern film. Thanks for that. I was aware of the book and documentary that he was involved with though (‘How The Beatles Rocked the Kremlin’). Not only was he from Cambridge, but he also spent a lot of time in the Soviet Union (the spy/MI5 links between Cambridge and the former Soviet Union are well known of course, so I do wonder about this link). He was also decorated by the Queen for ‘his services to TV.’

        https://www.lesliewoodhead.com/biography/

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Woodhead

        https://www.corpus.cam.ac.uk/news/500-years-of-cambridge-spies

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five

        With regards to The Beatles’ wives/girlfriends and their links to certain bloodlines – yes – you’ve got Yoko Ono and the Ashers – and to, an extent – Linda Eastman (Epstein), and in more recent years Nancy Shevell and her mob links. Have you found out anything with regards to Pattie Boyd? The whole story surrounding the Ashers is most intriguing. There’s Dr. Richard Asher of course the hypnosis expert who ‘hanged himself’ in his basement(?) in his home after being reported missing for a week (really?? No one bothered to search the house – and he went undiscovered for a week?). Of course, there’s the ‘coincidence’ concerning the fact that Asher’s wife had taught George Martin the oboe and then – some years later – McCartney’s dating Jane Asher?

        I haven’t really looked into all the ‘coincidences’ and ‘strokes of luck’ that are peppered (ahem) throughout The Beatles’ life and times, but I’m informed that Mark Lewisohn has uncovered masses of them in his epic ‘Tune In… Vol. 1’ tome (a book I’ve bought but haven’t yet read unfortunately).

        I’ll add one thing here… Whether or not The Beatles were an orchestration?… I don’t know. I certainly haven’t come across any damning evidence and I certainly take issue with “Dr.” John Coleman’s claim that they were the creation of Theo Adorno. To put it bluntly, Coleman’s claims with regards to The Beatles and Adorno are severely hampered by flawed, easily debunked information that he uses as a basis to try and make this claim stick. I’ve half-written a lengthy article about this and which I was planning to post on ‘Conspiro Media’ and my ‘Occult Beatles’ site. What I’ve discovered whilst researching for this article (and quite by accident) is that Adorno may indeed have been involved in The Beatles’ career, but not in the way Coleman has claimed (with no back-up proof I might add). Maybe I should go find this article in my documents-file and post the relevant paragraphs here? What I’ve discovered is that Adorno was closely linked to musicians who would later be an influential force on the counter-culture and who were championed by the likes of Barry Miles. And if The Beatles were unwittingly steered to front the intel-backed counter-culture, then Miles and his bloodline/military/intel buddies (John Dunbar and Peter Asher) are worthy of further exploration – for it was they who influenced McCartney to explore the avant-garde and – ultimately – the counter-cultural scene through their ‘Indica’ enterprise (and the Asher parents were – it’s said – an influence on Paul’s musical horizons expanding during the mid-’60s away from the early ‘Fab Four’ Pop sound to the avant-garde and classical). George Martin’s history is sprinkled with a few eye-brow raising tid-bits too – and he too was into avant-garde, electronic experimentation pre-Beatles (all these influences from Martin, the Ashers, the Indica and Adorno’s friends would manifest in ‘Sgt. Pepper’, the album of the world counter-culture – and in the earlier ‘Revolver’ album with ‘Tomorrow Never Knows’). The avant-garde and LSD are central, crucial ingredients in the growth of the counter-culture worldwide.

        Were The Beatles fabricated? I’m not convinced they were at this point. I think there’s enough evidence to show (pre-fame years) that they were talented musicians with a unique image and attitude not evident in bands who were coming up at the same time. Were they steered? Well, it could be. Aside from the influence of the Indica crowd (which is wirth looking into for more ‘smoking guns’) Joe Flannery – Brian Epstein’s right-hand man in Liverpool at NEMS – has stated that Epstein did indeed ‘cook the figures’ regarding their first single ‘Love Me Do’ claiming that Epstein bought up so many copies of the single in order to make it go up the charts that there boxes and boxes of them untouched in his warehouse or wherever. Also, The Beatles ‘invasion’ of America in ’64 does show signs of having been orchestrated – despite claims it was all a wonderful happening of pure chance.

        Before I sign off this reply, I’ll add that I’ve read Barry Miles’ autobiography ‘In the sixties’ and what instantly struck me with that is, he begins his life-story at the age of about 17 when he goes off to art college. There’s little to no account of his life and his family background before that. This is a bit unusual isn’t it? Why is that the case?

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      12. Yes! Yes! And yes! All of that ^^
        There is SO MUCH to write about on this topic. Thenumbernine has been active for a couple years now, and I have barely scratched the surface. But I will get there eventually!
        The Asher’s are pivotal to this ongoing saga for sure- a huge topic that Redwel Trabrant has discussed previously at length on his blog. I plan to go into that here more extensively in the future.
        Pattie Boyd!!! Yes! She and her sister- Jenny “Juniper” Boyd… the muses. Connected to many in the rock/pop industry (Beatles/Clapton/fleet wood mac/Donovan) Read my article “To the Nines”. The Boyd (Bond- haha) girls have royal lineages. Jenny Boyd- a psychologist herself. Fascinating links there.
        I have a feeling with our combined knowledge we could really flip some beatle wigs!!

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      13. Yes! I totally agree. Whether due to laziness and/or a severe lack of knowledge in The Beatles story, the ‘alternative’ media has concentrated on 1966 and post 1966 Beatles info. But if you look right back – way, way back to when The Beatles were unknown teenagers in Liverpool – and at least a decade before they placed Crowley on the cover of ‘Sgt. Pepper’ – they were interested in elements of the occult, esoterica and the so-called ‘supernatural.’ This first came to my attention some years back thanks to interviews given by – as you say – Pete Best. I’m going to be going into full detail on this in ‘Part 2’ of an article I posted on my ‘Occult Beatles’ site (so I won’t go into it too much here). The ‘Part 1’ of it kick-started my ‘Occult Beatles’ site. I’ll add the link here… It’s an opener to the idea that the pre-fame Beatles were immersed and/or surrounded by the occult and supernatural. Beatles insider and pre-fame Beatles friend and flatmate of Lennon’s and Stuart Sutcliffe’s, Bill Harry, has said Lennon was into the occult back then in some shape or form – and he’s featured in the intro of my aforementioned article:

        https://theoccultbeatles.wordpress.com/2016/09/03/in-the-beginning-part-one/

        Mona Best was Indian and when she got the teenage, penniless Beatles to paint her ‘Casbah’ club, they filled it with occult symbols – as did Mona (a long, large serpent I think is what she painted). Pete has confirmed all this – indeed, this is where I first heard about all this. Also – just a thought – is it possible that George Harrison’s interest in Indian esoterica came from Monah and not Ravi Shankar and other influences he came across during the mid-Sixties (such as on the film-set of ‘Help!’?).

        And, yes. Redwell has contributed some absolutely sterling and revealing info regarding the Ashers. He’s been a great source of info in my travels.

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  3. Thanks… All very interesting.
    For all the good that’s been said of Epstein by the ex-Beatles and their inner-circle and those that worked for him back in the day, there is definitely a most seriously shady and/or salacious aspect to the man (the cottaging, the victim of blackmail, the rough sex, the young boys, the gambling, the drug-addiction, his desire in later years to actually look like a mo-top Beatle, and so on). Problem is, no one (and by that I mean some kinda investigative journalist/author e.t.c.) has seriously questioned his death in order to see if there is anything surrounding it that might suggest the ‘official’ version of events is filled with contradictions and gaping holes. Personally, the ‘accidental death’ verdict – whilst plausible enough perhaps(?) – sometimes doesn’t sit right with me.

    Okay… Perhaps I’m veering off into slightly irrelevant trains of thought here, but I’ve always found it interesting that Epstein – and – fellow homosexuals Joe Orton and Joe Meek all died in 1967 – the year homosexuality was made legal in the United Kingdom… Really – I don’t know if this has any relevance either to Epstein’s death or Seltaeb or Jacobs. There are some links though… Playwright Orton had written a script/screenplay (can’t remember which) for The Beatles in 1967 and to be used in a Beatles film/play (again – can’t remember which). According to official accounts, Orton was bludgeoned to death by his jealous boyfriend who then killed himself. Interestingly, the morning his body was found was the morning he was scheduled to meet sometime Beatles director Richard Lester for a script-meeting – and I think some or all of The Rolling Stones were at the meeting too(?). Joe Meek also knew Epstein and Meek was a suspect in the ‘gay rape’ / ‘man’s body in Ipswich’ murder investigation. The Krays were,linked to this too of course and, again, we have a story of suicide (Meek shooting his landlady then himself). Or did he of course?
    Is it all feasible that Epstein, Meek, Orton and Jacobs were ‘taken out’ now that homosexuality was legal and that they were now effectively free of the grip of – let’s say – menacing London gangsters? Free from blackmail? Free to speak out about things that had been till then secret?

    These are just throwaway thoughts that have been rattling around for a long time, but I’ve never really had the opportunity to share them in a relevant way till now, I s’pose(?).

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  4. Hello
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